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Can we blame Bill?

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 posted by Lady Penelope in Politics

Here we are counting down the last 2 1/2 years of this presidency, 29% of us high enough to still be satisfied with things. But for the rest of us, I ask the following:

How much of this is Clinton’s fault?

Recently, a Jerry posted a link, “Bill licks Bush.” Evocative, yes, but the point being, given a choice most Americans choose Bill on all counts. Clinton nostalgia only increases as each new scandal comes to light, as Bush continues to rule via his gut instead of his head.

This came up on Saturday. A liberal friend of mine (I have liberal friends, you’d never guess, would you?) held Clinton responsible for the disastrous Bush presidency. If he could’ve just kept his zipper up, friend argued, Bush would never have made it into the White House in the first place. Gore would have won in a landslide (so he says).

Some thoughts:

1. Bush didn’t win the elections, either of them. Do I have to wear a tinfoil hat to say this? I know a lot of people working in the television industry; even comedy shows have a tough time doing a story on Diebold. “So corrupt we don’t know where to begin. And we’d face less lawsuits if we ran a Scientology expose.” The first election Republicans won not so much through a Supreme Court decision but by using a scrub list. That strategy exposed, in the second round they went straight to the machinery, leading to election outcomes staggeringly different than the exit polls suggested.

2. Could any of us really have known how bad this presidency would be? I was never keen on Dubya, but prior to the election he was advocating humility in foreign relations. Bush’s win didn’t make me happy to say the least, but had I known how bad it would get, I might have taken up heroin. Sometimes, ignorance is mercy.

3. I’m not comfortable making judgments about people’s sexual lives. We’re all sinners here. I know, I know. “It wasn’t about sex, it was about perjury.” Bullshit. At best that’s insincere. It wasn’t enough to prove that Clinton and Lewinsky played with each other’s privates, we had to learn that he got her off with his cigar, that she gave him blowjobs during phone calls, and so forth until I knew more about Monica’s sex life than I did about mine. Long after his point was made, Ken Starr mined for salacious bonus tracks.

I think we can all agree that Clinton’s judgment here was wretched. I bet he’d agree too. If Dubya is a man who knows no regret, Clinton has many. In a radio interview that I can no longer find he listed three: the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, another, I think, was welfare, and the third, I can’t remember the third. But I do remember that he was self-reflective, admitting as much of embarrassing personal conceits as of failures in aptitude or strategy. There were no excuses then.

That question was phrased politically, so he did not list Monica. But that brings us back to square one: should he have? Yes, the political ramifications of the affair have been enormous. Count every dead soldier among them. Still, I can’t personally bring myself to blame these deaths on the man whose hand in history unwittingly led us to where we are now. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes the fate of the world rides on it. I suppose he should have known the difference, but, I mean, really. Back then, McCain wasn’t courting Jerry Falwell. Bush advocated sensible spending. It was just a little oval office sex. Could anyone have predicted Guantanamo?

Meanwhile, Dubya, barring kingship, will graduate from the White House just pleased as punch that he caught the world’s largest perch. Note to Dubya: not admitting mistakes isn’t the same as not making them. And to you I ask, can we blame the idiot, or is Clinton the man that gave him the job?

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Posted by balderdash
05/17 11:58 AM

Well said m’am, but I have to disagree with your friend. I never got any impression that Gore was linked with Clinton’s personal life, in fact I thought I remembered Clinton trying to stay out of his way during the campaign. The stickiest things to hit Gore at that time could have been wiped off instantly by a halfway competent PR team. No one has ever cleaned up those clumsy statements that gave the Drudge report had so much fun. I invented the internet? How did a booboo-assed statement like that acquire such a life? There were a couple of others at the time that I can’t remember now, but I can’t see blaming Clinton’s blowjob for Gore’s less than dazzling campaign. Yeah, I know the election was dishonest, but objectively speaking, Gore should have won by at least a 20% margin. Leno and Letterman wouldn’t let off on how dull he was. What the fuck was that all about? How can they sleep at night now? How could they see those debates and say what they did? Maybe they didn’t realize the danger.



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Posted by Lady Penelope
05/17 12:14 PM

I think his argument was that if Clinton could have campaigned with Gore, free of the scandal, Gore’d have won in a landslide no matter how dull he was.

I’m not sure that’s true. Bush was a pretty convincing liar.



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Posted by balderdash
05/17 12:18 PM

well maybe, but the people who were swayed by the “scandal” weren’t the ones who were listening to what Gore was saying. I think they were listening to their pastors who are still waiting to collect on their payola, and stupid television comics.



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Posted by Lady Penelope
05/17 12:19 PM

They were deciding elections as they always do: who has better hair, who they’d rather sleep with, who they’d rather have a beer with.

Confounding.



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Posted by balderdash
05/17 12:26 PM

Oh man, I would so totally push Tipper aside! I think Gore would be tons more fun than Bush.



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Posted by Lady Penelope
05/17 12:30 PM

Agreed, but there’s no accounting for taste.  I actually think Gore would be a great person to share a bbq with.  But I’ve told you the story, I think, of my sister visiting me before the 2004 election. “You’re voting Kerry?  Yeah, but who would you rather sleep with? You’d rather sleep with Kerry than Bush?” She’s a microbiologist, a zoologist, and a lawyer. Graduated all times magna cum laude.



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Posted by rev. dimmer
05/17 05:30 PM

Well, I thought it was only the Reps who blamed Clinton for everything… Nah, to blame Clinton for Bush pushes things a bit too far. Blame our love for all that is salacious and novel (a cunny? as a whateveryoucallthosethingsyoukeepcigarsin? humidor?) and a republican senate using billions of our money to hound a guy who came through pretty much clean as a well blown whistle.

Gore fell into the trap where we didn’t respond to what was a very well crafted campaign against him: trusting in the strength and intelligence of the American people to know that 1/ he never did say he “invented” the internet, and 2/ without Al Gore, we would have no internet today --- all our sheep raping picture downloads would be from dial-up BBS’s ran by children.

The elections were indeed stolen: once in plain sight, once more sneakily --- after all, using one hammer to crack a nut makes little sense when you have many hammers on hand. The good thing about that approach is there is no “smoking gun”. Fewer polling systems in poor neighborhoods? use Diebold systems which show the only major discrepancies ever seen between exit polling and end results?

Gore is, btw, a great, smart, funny and engaging speaker. And since he married Tipper, I’m bettig he cares not a whiff to have his nether parts in a state off consumption.



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Posted by Lady Penelope
05/17 05:36 PM

There were five in the party; 3 agreed that Bill was culpable, only Parker’s girlfriend and I disagreed.  The ones who held him to task still loved him anyway, just blamed him for not keeping it in there.

Personally, I just wish I never knew.



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Posted by rev. dimmer
05/17 05:53 PM

I really think that what you do with your genitals is pretty much your own business, at least up until you force them upon another. Even then, you get special license in elevators and subway cars.



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Posted by rev. dimmer
05/17 05:56 PM

One thing that confuses me: we hate presidents having sex, right? And we hate being lied to, right? And Jeff Gannon made 178 visits to the Whitehouse while GWB was present (at 10:00am or 6:00pm each time, so these were not part of his faux “reporting” tasks. And Jeff’s Homosexual Male Prostitute speciality is providing golden showers. How many reports on that? When will my Starr Report be born?



Posted by sparky
05/17 05:57 PM

Please keep in mind that soldiers are born to die.  We all are of course, but especially soldiers.  Their job is to kill people, and to possibly be killed themselves.  Their job is not really to build bridges for poor people in some urban backwater or to march in silly parades with their rifles plugged.  Much as it isn’t nice, they sign up to learn how to kill people and destroy stuff.  Unless that particular soldier lives in France or Belgium, where the main purpose of soldiers is to learn how to surrender or play the tuba whilst wearing a silly uniform..

<ducks>



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Posted by rev. dimmer
05/17 05:58 PM

Also, Bush is a classic sociopath, so he’ll get 10% of the vote (10% of the polulation are sociopaths, where water comes together with other water they run together).



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Posted by rev. dimmer
05/17 06:00 PM

Actually, sparky, in both France and Italy the army has a rigerous training course for all recruits in the fine art of the “running away”.

Italy even made tanks designed for this: 5 forward gears, 10 reverse.



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Posted by Lady Penelope
05/17 06:06 PM

Hey Sparky!

You’re right to point out that those words are a bit loaded and, to some ears, sentimental, so their use weakens my persuasiveness.  By way of explanation, I would be more comfortable with the deaths of soldiers if I felt it were a just cause, but since I think the war is lame and is doing nothing for the interests of our country, the deaths seem senseless.  And I wasn’t opposed to the Afghani war, I just wish we’d done more there instead of moving things to Iraq.



Posted by touchstone
05/19 12:16 PM

First, it didn’t matter what Clinton did, the rabid GOP hound-dogs were out to get him. If it wasn’t sex it’d be investment deals in Arkansas. Remember Kenneth Starr was originally brought in to investigate Whitewater. Basically he stuck around until he got something. Six years, X millions of taxpayer money, and he gives us...perjury???

Second, Clinton was more popular after the impeachment proceeding than he was before it. Involving Clinton in the Gore campaign would have been the smart thing to do. Instead, Gore bought into the right-wing talking points that the Presidency had been sullied by Clinton’s actions and he tried to distance himself from Clinton. In reality, of course, it was Congress that took the big hit from a popularity standpoint. Most Americans felt that the Republican Congress had wasted everybody’s time and money pursing something that was inherently personal.

Third, Gore ran a timid campaign. Compare the “moderate” dispassionate talking head candidate to today’s fiery, global-warming Cassandra. No contest. Gore 3.0 is a damn likable politician. He should have unleashed his passion—the environment—during the 2000 campaign. And remember, if he had won his home state we would not be having this conversation.

I like the site improvements!



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