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Wednesday, August 30, 2006 posted by Spazmo in Business

From time to time people say to me, “Spazmo, what do you know about making investments?” They might mention online trading, five-baggers and “sure things.” I assume that they’ve made an unconscious drift into sexual innuendos, so I stop them from speaking with a quick dog bark followed by my honest answer—don’t invest your money in stocks and please forget that vocabulary you were just using. Responses vary: “Do you expect me to retire to a diet of Ramen noodles,” or “But my children hate me and I’ll need to take care of myself,” and almost always “Did you just bark at me?”

But let me clarify a couple of things:

1. I did bark at you

2. Putting money in an IRA, mutual fund, or money market is a great way to save for your retirement. However, thinking you can play the market yourself is a sign of a big head and some serious wrong-thinking. I mean come on, look at you. Sitting there in your underwear, absent-mindedly fingering a mole on God knows what part of your body… you think you can beat professional investors that handle IRAs? Guys who, on a daily basis, ingest cocaine in chemical permutations that won’t hit the sreet for six years, guys who have a psychotic lack of distraction from a reptillian goal that can be only articulated as the word “more”? You’re gonna beat these guys while sitting at home, listening to Terry Gross interviewing Bela Fleck on Fresh Air? You really think that? Well, I think we should start seeing other people.

Let me give an example of what I’m talking about.

I work as an information professional. I will (hopefully) soon have an advanced degree in Information Science; I spend a lot of time reading about information trends, masturbating furiously to Angelina Jolie, and discussing changes in technology with others in my field. It is through this collective lens that I focus my attention on Apple. Not only does Apple excel at product design, they are leaders in usability and pioneers of ambient design. Overall, they engage users with technology that supports their most exciting endeavors.

Additionally, Apple is only currently at a fraction of their market-share as far as an Operating System goes (compared to Windows), and their move into chic appliances such as the iPod has awarded them a cult-like following of customers. I tend to look at those kinds of features in a company because I don’t know any better and because, like many people, I assume that what I know is more interesting and important than what other people know. At least when I drink. But I don’t know and I’m really glad because for all the great things Apple has going for it, there are some underlying givens that I assume exist. One being that their computers won’t explode into flames.

So go ahead and log on to your twenty-minute-delayed day-trader site. 

To me, this is like having the carpet pulled out from under me. Probably felt the same to Apple . At least I hope it did. Though there hasn’t been a significant drop in Apple stock, this kind of quality and safety-check negligence can be catystrophic to companies, and those issues are handled internally. And here we are—externals.

“Gee, Spaz, are you saying we should just give up completely?” Yes, that is precisely what I’m saying. Understand that you are in a representative democracy where your vote elects a Freedom Professional to handle issues for you. Your Freedom Professional may not do what you want, because your vote doesn’t count. But she will make sure that your entire community doesn’t experience a huge, unpleasant jolt because your collective vote DOES count. The stock market works in a similar way. The first step to reaping the benifits of our great system is to acknowledge that most of us only have power as a collective.

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Posted by stubby
08/30 03:55 PM

My mom used to like to play the market, investing because she liked the name, because a new product tickled her fancy, or because of some article she read in Reader’s Digest.

She did very well.



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Posted by Lady Penelope
08/30 04:04 PM

One of my bosses, an ex-marine, asked me to refrain from discussing horseracing. It didn’t much matter, because by the time he stepped in i’d already counseled all interested parties as to how they should bet the race. But this, spitting distance from the NYSE! “That’s gambling, proabbly shouldn’t be talking about gambling in an office.” What a tool.



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Posted by rev. dimmer
08/30 04:14 PM

This is something I argue with Butterboy over on a weekly basis. he continually loses money in the market and always has a new tack on how he’ll do better this time:

- people always sell on news, even good news, so he shorts a company about to announce results. Guess what people -actually- do?
- a stock on the rise will go higher. Even if it dips. Even if it dips further. Even if it dips below your purchase price. D’oh!
- penny stocks have the most upside! If they gain 0.1 cents and you’ve bought 100 of them, you’ve made a dime! In reality, penny stocks almost always end up bailing.
- you can make money day trading! Almost as much as you can lose.

The sad reality is that the stock market is owned and ran by the deep pockets big investors, and their one goal in life is to take whatever spare money the middle class have and take it from them. When you own 10% of a company, you can control it’s stock price however you like. It’s a bigger racket than the hobos asking you to bet a buck on “Find the lady"--you can’t even beat the money back out of your broker. I do still recommend that for fun though.

Also, the stock market has no basis or foundation in reality: it matters nothing how well a company is doing, whether it owns its IP or not, whether it has any vision. It’s a numbers racket. Ran by those with more power than you, more control than you, and explicitally out to fuck you over.

That’s not to say you can’t make money out of the market: you can make money out of the lottery as well, and it’s less rigged (odds are about the same). You can make money by jumping in front of moving vehicles and suing the driver, or stumbling over misplaced pacing stones in public places. That it’s possible isn’t the point: what matters is your odds. And on the stock market, if you are not in the in-crowd, your odds are long.

So why did the middle class in the early 80’s get all up in the market? Why did day trading take off? Just a scam. The brokers saw that there was money to be had, and they wanted it, so they promoted this idea that you could do better by yourself than a group of expert investors with a wide base of options could. They came up with a few “examples” of how this could have worked (ignoring, of course, that for every “Attaboy!” story, there were a million “Aw shits"--and the only universal exchange rate is that one “Aw shit” overrides ten “Attaboys”.)

So the middle class, greedy fucks that they are, got fleeced. The stock market, ahem, “crashed” and suddenly all their money was gone. Note that the brokers didn’t lose their shirts, nor their suits, not their reputations.

As if that wasn’t bad enough, the practice of day-trading was introduced--heck, even government sponsored. The idea here is that you as a person can out think and out-react (results delayed by twenty minutes) computerized systems that can do simple arithmetic very, very fast. This was a mugs game of huge proportion. The axiom of “never enter a fight you can’t win” was lost on these poor fools (they were at least fools throughout, and poor by the time the finally exited). And of course, the brokers loved this: pay per trade, pay on profit, pay on loss. It’s win, win, win for those who already owned the money.

You -can- make money from investments, but not on your own, not without huge risk. Your 401K will probably do OK by you. Your insurance company will do OK. With the recent changes made by BushCorp that makes it legal for corporations to raid and reduce pension funds you don’t want to bet on that.

Or talk to Stubby’s mom: tickle her fancy and I hear you get a big tip!



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Posted by Lady Penelope
08/30 04:21 PM

My father lost most of his savings because he retired at the wrong time. Still swears by it, but then he always, always bought Oldsmobiles, and swears by Dells.



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Posted by rev. dimmer
08/30 04:26 PM

Anyone who has ever owned a Dell swears quite a bit.



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Posted by rev. dimmer
08/30 04:28 PM

Can I point out that in looking for an image to illustrate the story I “came up” with the idea of having a picture of Angelina wearing a pearl necklace? Sadly, she doesn’t wear neck attire much, and the only pearl one I could find was black pearls, not white, which killed the joke. Even my bestest photoslop skills couldn’t save the day.



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Posted by Lady Penelope
08/30 04:29 PM

Can I point out that in looking for an image to illustrate the story

No, sorry. Maybe another time, but no, not today. We’ll let you know.

I tried to find a pearl necklace photo that could convincingly be angelina jolie, or some such, but all I could find were old paintings, which came across as less spurt, more fay.



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Posted by rev. dimmer
08/30 04:35 PM

I think there were some still from her “Lotta Croft: Womb Raider” porn rip-off that had substantial pearl necklaces/face paintings we could have used…

Now, get back on thread.



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Posted by Lady Penelope
08/30 04:36 PM

Anyone who has ever owned a Dell swears quite a bit.

They break, and what happens? He is on hold for four hours, reformats his hard drive, then buys another one. “Well, the problem with the last one was, I had it too close to the wall, see. I didn’t know that, but they explained it to me on the phone.”



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Posted by rev. dimmer
08/30 05:04 PM

I had a Dell “Workstation” system and a laptop that was big as a whole sack of bricks. In honesty, they worked ok as long as they worked. The “Workstation” died after two years, the laptop after I dropped it two feet onto a carpeted floor.

Neither had the “style” of the Sony desktop/laptops I used at the time, but in terms of functionality they were pretty much a wash: given that it’s components from the cheapest supplier of the day tossed together by illegals with zero to no training and a “one size shits all” operating system, it’s about the best you can expect.



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Posted by stubby
08/30 05:20 PM



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Posted by rev. dimmer
08/30 06:46 PM

Stubby, you rock.

Or you share a sock with Spazmo, I don’t need to know the answer.



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Posted by gloveshot
09/02 10:04 AM

Have a friend who retired at 48, pulled all of his 401k, minus taxes and penalties, and went to make it big in the “Market”.  Long story short, burnt about $80,000 in 18 months, borrowed himself into a big hole, filed bankruptcy and went back to work at entry level jobs.  To hear him lament now about how he was sure he had it figured out, but how rapidly he got sucked in by the ever better promises, inside tips, and psssst...didja hear abouts, (he’s sure everyone involved got a good laugh) makes me glad I never even thought about it.



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Posted by Spazmo
09/02 11:33 AM

No socks for Spaz. Corndogs or nothing.



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Posted by GoatBoy
09/02 12:05 PM

At least Vegas will bring you free drinks while you blow though your stack.



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