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Chimp & Zee Humans

Thursday, May 18, 2006 posted by in Religion ROTM Science

Let me start by saying that I always thought that Uncle H, my mom’s youngest brother, was a fun dude, athletic, good tennis player, etc., and as I got older, a good man and loving father.  In spite of what I’m about to get into, he still is a good man in my mind.  For me, family ties trump differences in ideology (if you let it).

I wasn’t around for the fiery arguments between my father and Uncle H, (I was probably busy ditching SAT prep class or some such thing), but years later, pops gave me a brief synopsis.  It went something like this:

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Uncle H:  “Studies have led biblical scholars to the conclusion that the Earth is somewhere in the neighborhood of 70,000 years old.”

Dad:  “Ok, radiocarbon dating tends to be increasingly unreliable with specimens older than 40,000 years, I’ll give you that.  But with the method of potassium-argon dating, geologists have been able to date rocks to be as old as four billion years old.”

Uncle:  “The scientists are just plain wrong.  The Bible tells me so.”
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So when I read some recent news (nod to *hydrated*) about the roots of the human genome, one of my first thoughts was, “Cripes, if there ever was a topic to avoid around ole Uncle H, this’d be it.” Most evolutionary anthropologists believe that the split between chimps and humans happened rather abruptly, around seven millions years ago.  But according to a recent study by some folks at Harvard and MIT, not only did the final divergence happen more recently than previously thought, the split may have been much more gradual, being precipitated by early humans fucking early chimps to create a hybridized species.  What’s more, Dr. Colin Groves, an anthropologist at Australian National University, “said that even today it could be possible for humans and chimps to have sex and produce offspring, although there would be ethical problems.” I’ll say.

Of course that got me to thinking, a bacterium doesn’t derive sexual pleasure upon dividing itself in two.  A female sockeye salmon jettisoning a multitude of eggs while the male spews his spunk over them...it’s still doubtful they’re getting their rocks off, but maybe, just maybe.  My friend’s beagle Lady frantically humping a living room pillow on the carpet in front of us?  That bitch was feeling something alright.  And the early hominids giving it to the chimpanzees?  Oh baby, how can something so wrong feel so right!

After many arguments ending in proverbial door-slamming, my uncle and father eventually learned to avoid certain subjects altogether.  Uncle H now teaches computer science at a Christian university in northeastern China, so I don’t get to see him all that often, but when I do, I’m careful to steer clear of what I now know to be contentious topics.  And come to think of it, he’s probably just as deliberate as I am in keeping conversations to all things agreeable.  Like I said, if you let it.

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Posted by rev. dimmer
05/19 12:11 AM

Satan either hates or loves you, I forget which.



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Posted by Lady Penelope
05/19 01:20 AM

Awesome job, Flock.

I’m not a doctor, but I’m skeptical about the human/chimp offspring thing. Only because I was just reading about this a week or two ago in the latest Virginia Quarterly Review (which this quarter concerns ID and evolution, and how life is so much more miraculous and amazing than an anal retentive god who orders it up in exactly 6 days so he can rest on the sabbath). And only really because I want to share that with you. From an essay called “the Olfactory Lives of Primates” (go ahead and make fun of my subway reading):

A truly unsettling finding came a few decades back that chimps and humans share 98% of their DNA. 98%. This is boggling. So this naturally leads to the question--what’s the 2% difference about? The answer came recently ...

Not a thing having to do with our brains working so differently than theirs--no genetic explanation for literature, art, megastates, termite sticks, the bunny hop ... Our “me-ness” is not all that anchored in our genes. There were some genetic differences concerning body hair. Others about immune function--chimps handle malaria better than we do, we handle tuberculosis better than they do. Some about reproduction, making it unlikely that there’s some human/chimp hybrid out there.

Not the final word; still I’ll stand by it until I hear otherwise. But I want to share the rest, so I’ll continue with the next couple paragraphs:

But the biggest difference concerned olfaction. When an odor--a molecule that has floated off, becomes airborne, from sweat, from a mound of cinnamon, or a rotten egg, or pollinating flower or exhaust pipe--reaches your nose, it binds to a subset of literally thousands of different olfactory recepters. They’ve got them, and we’ve functionally disabled ours into what are called pseudogenes. As we split off from our last common ancestor a few million years back--an ape already with an atrophied olfactory system--the most common genetic shift that would ultimately differentiate us from chimps was that we decayed into having a lousy sense of smell.

And what are the consequences? We have become disproportionately specialized in other senses. We can be aroused by an erotic picture. We can be moved to tears by music. We can read this essay in Braille.

But even our nonolfactory senses are not so hot. Raptors see better than we do. Nocturnal animals hear better. Our senses aren’t great. But our thinking about our senses is amazing. You can decide whether some curry tastes the same as the one you made last July. You can remember the sensation of someone’s hand moving down your body. Or you can sit alone in a loft with a stack of empty sheets of music paper and imagine what the symphony will sound like. We have been freed from the concrete here and now of sensation--as we have been from the here and now of emotion, of thought, of everything. And while that may make for less interesting wedding parties (author’s reference to start of article in which he imagines what a chimp wedding would be like), it sure is central to what makes us human.



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Posted by flock
05/19 10:56 AM

Thanks!  Yeah, the possibility of a chuman, a humanzee, seems dubious, but what do I know?  A horse and an ass can make it happen, though the mule can’t reproduce.  It seems it may’ve happened before, albeit with an early hominid and not today’s homo sapiens.  But genetically, we’ve not come very far since then, no pun intended.  Maybe the Raelian Movement would sponsor human trials with their members:  10 women get it from male chimpanzees, and 10 men give it to female chimps.



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Posted by Lady Penelope
05/19 11:02 AM

Sign me up!



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Posted by Lady Penelope
05/19 11:03 AM

I mean, it can’t be that much different than Bevets, right?



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Posted by flock
05/19 11:11 AM

Hey, as long as we make Bubbles take a bath beforehand, how bad could it be?



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Posted by Lady Penelope
05/19 11:16 AM

Actually, that’s really rather frightening. Maybe I should join the Gor tribe mentioned in Gloveshot’s link instead. I don’t know, monkeys or science fiction geeks? Hmmmm. I’ll have to think on this, consult my oracle.



Posted by Murdered Duchess
05/19 11:20 AM

I saw that cartoon, read the first paragraph, and thought this editorial was going in a WHOLE different direction, if you catch my drift.



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Posted by flock
05/19 11:31 AM

Oh, heheh, I catch it, sparkling.



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Posted by rev. dimmer
05/19 04:29 PM

You kids need to read more “B.C.” to get those communist christ hating ideas out of your heads. And stop stealing my edits, as well.

Good work flock - I hate you.



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Posted by Cy Guy
05/19 10:44 PM

Dr. Colin Groves, an anthropologist at Australian National University, “said that even today it could be possible for humans and chimps to have sex and produce offspring, although there would be ethical problems.

Who knew chimps even had ethics?



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Posted by jackrabbit
05/19 11:18 PM

But who wants to have sex with dubya?



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Posted by gloveshot
05/21 11:40 AM

"But who wants to have sex with dubya?”

Maybe Britney’s Bodygaurd.



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